Discussions: Rankings, Rules + More!

OUR FIRST ACTUAL WEDNESDAY DISCUSSION POST IN FOREVER! Nutso November; wait eleven months for it, wonder for four weeks why the heck we missed it, get done and inevitably within a week go “that was so much fun! Why can’t it be like that all the time?” Because everyone would die and that would be bad.

WOU 92 @ CU-Portland 58

Pretty typical result. Pretty sure the closest CU-Portland ever legitimately got was 13 points. There was a spot there when the Wolves had four and the Cavaliers had three that was a bit interesting, but the next thing we knew it was 16-3 favoring WOU. Good news for the conference. We’ll talk about that more later.

CU-Portland highlights: Latrell Wilson had 23 points on decent shooting; Tyler Gutierrez had 10 points. Off the bench Daniel Duitsman had six points; Riley Hawken added 5; James Phillips another five points. Pretty much it.

Western Oregon highlights: Andy Avgi had 27 points and six boards; Jordan Wiley had 21 points; Alex Roth had nine boards; Devon Alexander had five assists. Off the bench Kadeem Strickland had 13 points, five assists, and three steals; JJ Chirnside had six points; and Tanner Omlid had five points and five boards.

Overall a pretty ho-hum game. Congrats to the Wolves on getting it done, just as we knew they could.

Strength of Schedule Stuff?

Last night we posted a tweet saying we hoped Western Oregon would win by 40 and that any team with legitimate tournament aspirations should hope the same. Why? Because We’re going to get real here: CU-Portland’s chances of making the conference tournament aren’t particularly high with what they’ve demonstrated in non-conference. We’ve kind of been skimming how the conference has collectively been doing against the Pac-West and CCAA and the good news is, it isn’t horrible. We’re at about .500 in regard to the Pac-West and .500 in regard to the CCAA. The problem with those numbers is that very few of the teams that we won against have winning records. Some of that is intentional, some not. The Hawaii schools were anticipated to be better, as was Dixie State; that’s a huge chunk of GNAC vs. Pac-West. With the CCAA, less so? For the most part the CCAA schools have been pretty much as expected, although we are excited about Monterey Bay sitting at 5-1; go Otters.

You can now dunk in warm-ups without picking up a technical?

Yes, and we’ll reveal something personal about ourselves: We’re white. We can jump out of the gym. We love dunking, think it’s great, had the privilege of witnessing both Nate Rob and Terrance Ross during their respective collegiate careers, however: In our lives, there was no devastation if one went down. There’s a story that floats around about once upon a time when some deep bench dwellers decided to dunk during tertiary warm-ups. Not thrilled about it, but okay, whatever, one of them tears an ACL, big whoop. Then a starter got in on it. A chronically injured starter. There is no point risking a season dunking during warm-ups. None. There are too many bad ways to come down and plenty of other, safer ways to get your plyometrics on. For those that choose to dunk during warm-ups: Good luck with those knee injuries.

The Rankings?

Are a complete and total mess, still. Lots of West Region teams are ranked and it’s so complicated we’re just gonna go in order:

  • 4th = Western Oregon: No losses, but their only good win is at home against Point Loma.
  • 5th = Cal Poly Pomona: No losses, good road wins against PLNU and Azusa.
  • 10th = Cal Baptist; agree-ish. They have one loss, but it’s against 22nd ranked UCSD.
  • 16th = Seattle Pacific; agree-ish. Good win against Chico; only loss was against 5 and 1 CU-Irvine in OT on a neutral court.
  • 22nd = UCSD; disagree. Undefeated with good wins against 18th ranked Colorado School of Mines and 10th ranked Cal Baptist.
  • 23rd = Chico State; disagree. They fell a bit too far. While SPU’s loss against CU-I doesn’t look great, SPU is still ranked 16th.

Other west region teams receiving votes:

  • CWU received 7; meh -two wins on what’s essentially home-court against two non-ranked teams.
  • Western Washington received 6; meh -three losses, two against non-ranked teams.
  • Azusa Pacific 4; total and complete BS. They have one loss and it was against Cal Poly Pomona. While the Cougars haven’t really played anybody, neither has WOU and they’re ranked 4th. APU beat the Wolves in March, APU’s made the tourney two straight years, and quite frankly: they deserve a bigger benefit of the doubt.

We saw that the SIDs put out a ranking. We’re really tempted to do one ourselves, but we’ll hold out for the December dead period. Basically there’s a lot of parity and ultimately the CCAA seems to come out on top. Here’s what teams we’re impressed with so far in relatively no particular order: Azusa Pacific, Cal Baptist, Cal Poly Pomona, Chico State, Dominican, Point Loma, Seattle Pacific, Sonoma State, UCSD, and Western Oregon. Out of ten teams, that’s four from the Pac-West, two from the GNAC, and four from the CCAA -pretty balanced, which is cool. The big problem right now is that the RPI of the GNAC is terrible; the vast majority of the wins come against teams in those conferences with losing records.

Of course, it’s December. We’re not sure how much the list above is going to hold up. We know UAF, UAA, WWU, and CWU are all jumping at the bit to be in that conversation, so we’ll see how that plays out. Dixie State, is of course a team that’s usually solid so we’ll see about them. There should be at least one somewhat okay (or good) Hawaii school, eventually, this year. CCAA-wise San Fran State is still undefeated with the wins coming against D2 competition. Humboldt is undefeated but largely hasn’t played anyone but NAIA schools, so 50/50 on that. Part of it is just where they play -much like MSUB is surrounded by the Frontier Conference, the Jacks are surrounded by the Cal Pac and Cascade conference, and you want to be on good terms with those schools even if it doesn’t help you as much as it could.


Tomorrow is the first BIG day of conference play and previews’ll be up mid-morning per usual.

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